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Re: Fostie leaves 9 month old in hot car to die -- child advocate

by Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 7, 2008 at 07:29 PM

On Sep 7, 7:57 pm, "Ron" <apositivepl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> > What???
>
> > Of course the child is just as dead, and if he got what he 'deserved'
> > he would not be dead! Of course intentional killing (murder) should
> > be treated differently than accidental killing.
>
> So, by your logic an accident that could have been prevented by a parent
> that was doing their job should be forgiven.  Hmmm, interesting.

Yes. If he or she meant no harm to the child, I surely would be, and
I
think any decent person would. There are degrees of negligence, of
course, and again I assign culpability based on intent. In the case
here,
of leaving children alone in a car, the parent almost surely either
didn't
realise the danger of it or made a mental slip as here; in either case
I
think sympathy, and not punishment, is called for. Such a mother is
unlikely to ever do it again!

> > I said 'is truly an accident', not 'the perpetrator claims it was an
> > accident'.
> > You are lying.
>
> Andy, there is no such thing as an accident.  Not when the death of a
child
> is concerned.  Negligence covers all the rest.

Negligence is not the same thing as intention.

> "I accidentally rolled over him in my sleep".  Well, he should not have
been
> sleeping with you.
> "I accidentally dropped him from the 5th floor".  Well, what was he
doing
> out the window?
> "He was accidentally thrown from the car when I hit the other vehicle". 
Was
> he in a car seat?  Was it strapped in properly?  Was HE strapped in
> properly?  Were you speeding, drunk, not paying attention?

If, if, if... ALL accidents are preventable by this standard, not just
those
involving children.

> No, I'm not lying Andy, I just know the difference between intentional
> killings and negligent one's.

Well at least you acknowledge that. And plurals don't use
apostrophes - write "ones" not "one's".

Andrew Usher
 




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Re: Fostie leaves 9 month old in hot car to die -- child advocat
Greegor <Greegor47@[EM  2008-09-06 21:01:43 
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Andrew Usher <k_over_h  2008-09-06 21:48:52 
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"Ron" <aposi  2008-09-07 19:19:54 
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